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Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Review > Element Climbings > Beta
The holds at first sight are going to leave you thinking "feet?" and sure they do make some pretty nice footholds, big and positive; but where they're best is when they're used to as handholds. Two sets and you're going to have a ball, one for hands and one for feet, but maybe the holds when used as feet are too large for anyone other than beginners or on very steep walls, there's nothing really special about these holds in this mode... keep them for hands unless you're in need for some bomber bolt on footholds.
As hand holds on our 30 degree wall the small slopey holds are super hard to get onto and hold, you can hang them but you need to be delicate, what made our route run was the edges that gave you a slight break before you head into the box and the moves there, then you end up on some of the slopey guys underneath the stairs... brutal? You betcha!!
Most of the holds are deep enough (as you can see from the above image) for two pads of your fingers, so they're really not all that bad for your fingers, some of them to have flat edges so they could dig in and cause a little pain, but no one complained about this, what they did complain about mind you was the move from the 45 onto the 30 degree wall, it was the small round holds and dynamic moves and then hand bumps that caused a lot of problems.
Overall the holds are good as either feet or hands, it depends upon what you need and where you're going to place them, they're by no means anything out of the ordinary but they do climb pretty well.
We went all the way upto 45 degrees with these, and the only real complaint people had was that they were getting pumped out, that is because of a number of reasons the holds (the slopey ones aside) are big enough that if you're semi strong or have good foot placement you can hang around longer than you expect... so you can think about your next move and figure out what you're going to do. That could be a problem for beginners as they're going to be looking ahead (we hope) on a small hold and then are just going to fall off the the wall pumped, this of course is by no means a bad thing, but it could put people off of your intended route / problem because they get pumped out quickly. The holds do inspire confidence, they're small but they're actually pretty damn big compared to other crimps on the market, and that leads us to a question... "Are these holds true crimps?"; well the answer is yes and no, Dan (pictured above) crimped on them, whereas Noodles was using them open handed (better for the tendons) and everyone else did something in between, these holds don't force you into the classic "crimp" hand position, which is a good thing, but if you're looking to train crimp strength you could find these holds a little too big for that.... they're more like 2 finger pad edges than crimps
You can put these holds anywhere as feet, and on a 45 degree wall they're superb, not too hard and not too easy. There are a few sharp edges, but nothing that we found overly bad
Versatility: Crimps to 45 degrees, or footholds
Screw Holes: No, not needed
Urethane! It's a pretty strong mix from what our torque wrench tells us, there were some bubbles on the backs of the holds but nothing major to worry about, unless you look at the Worms which we think will be reshaped... those holds although huge, do not make use feel comfortable on the roof at all!
The holds were well packed and came via Fed Ex. Ah Fed Ex, how I love to hate you! As per usual I had a run around with the buggers and had to make some phone calls to get the box; they'd not thrown it around too much and the shapes came out without being bashed about, which is pretty unusual for Fed Ex :) There was enough packing in the box to give your rabbit bedding for a month or two, so needless to say it was more than enough (Copy from before as we have had the holds a while)
JACKY
The fact that there are some holds in the kit that have positive angles brings a level of difficulty I do like to see in crimps. Since the Beta come in a pack of 12, a setter can use them to force a given movement on the climbers. The construction seems solid since we didn't feel like we were going to snap the pieces when bolting them onto the wall. The size of the pieces are well guaged, giving solidarity and a nice technical difficutly, there are no irregulaarities that could cause finger discomfort or skin flappers. And so for me it's back to the wall for training, remember... it's all in the footwork :P
In order to lengthen the problem we set, we used the roof jugs "Metamorphosis", you know the ones that look like worms, which is why we clearly named them "Worms" around here! Again the holds are pourous so once you're holding them, you know there's no slipping off of these holds. Although the "Worms" are pleasant to look at on a first glance basis, we wondered if they could handle a few extra pounds or "big-bones" hanging off of the roof... the skinny part of the Worms caused us to worry about their durability, until none of these holds have broken, even after we've had a heavier guest over then Noodles*, leaving us with more confidence. Conclusion on the Worms, they're massive handle bars to be used on a roof or to entertain children with their shape. Although I should mention that we still doubt their strength against someone 200lbs or more*Noodles being the heaviest member of CHR... hahahaha!
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Review > Element Climbing > Ammonia & Chloroform
Ammonia
Chloroform
So you can see why we've been setting with these two sets as one, they really look alike, so much so that they could be from the same line. The Chloroform is shaped for bolting onto a roof and usually we jump at the idea of setting in the roof but in this case we kept it on the 45 degree wall. The shape of the jug itself is quit generic, the pocket is round, finger friendly and you could hang off it for hours but flip the hold sideways or upside down things start to get interesting, if it was by design or not, setting the hold up at different angles allowed us to use the fins as pinches. Now not only do we have a two for one review, we also have a two for one hold :)
The Ammonia set are three pinches and their shape closely resembles that of the Chloroform, minus the big pocket of course. There categorized as X large pinches but they're not all that big and won't take up as much space on your home woody. We think that the X large grading is due to the size of the pinch itself which in some places can be quit wide. The holds are incut and although they may be categorized as X large they are still on the smaller side and you can only get two or maybe three fingers around the hold. SO we knew from the start that these holds were going to be tricky so we set them up on the 45:)
We never put the Chloroform on the roof, but it's are classified as a roof jug and they are one of the larger jugs we have lying around the wall. The Ammonia's are a different story, I'd never want to encounter one of these holds on a roof. Ideally, the Ammonia's should be set on vertical to 30 wall, we had them up on the 45 and we could feel the strain in our fingers after the session.
Both the Ammonia's and Chloroform are good holds for all levels of climbers. The Ammonia's will test pinch strength with the incuts and the variety found on the holds, most climbers will find their way around the sequence.
OVERALL BUILD
Bolt Placement:
Texture:
Screw Holes: The Chloroform could do with a screw hole, the rest are fine
Build wise the backs are flat, the bolt holds nice and square with an inset washer... we've not had any of the holds spin on us yet, but it's a matter of time before the Chloroform gets some jewelery in the shape of a set screw
Well packed, all the holds came out in a ship shape fashion
RATING
NOODLES SAYS
Overall the holds are alright, there's nothing massively amazing about them. The Chloroform should really be added to the Ammonias set to round it out a little more. Adding some similar looking holds with different degrees of incut would be a pretty nice option as well. One thing that has to be said is that the moves we were playing with when we were pinching were pretty close to putting us on the mats a lot of the time, but once these holds are on a shallower angled wall then you can match them in a whole host of different ways.
Element have gotten off to a good start, there are bigger companys out there that just churn out holds, the folks over there take their time, make sure the holds are something that they want to climb on and then they reshape it a few more times to really make sure it's what they wanted. It's going to be interesting to see how the economy effects them, we hope they do well! What we'd like to see is the lead symbol being used on their periodic table... I hope they make it huge and light (whatever the shape) as it'd be nice and ironic :P
CHRIS
- Good for all level climbers (Depends on the angle of wall)
- Nice texture
- Varied pinches, just spin the holds
- They could have a bigger line, maybe some small pinches
- Order the colour you want, don't get caught with a colour you don't like
The Chloroform is a single XXXL roof jug for $49.95
Review > Element Climbing > Orbits
As you can see Chris was a little muddled on his feet, he had a harder time than me because I'm short and I can just keep a lower centre of gravity, Seb on the other had was having a hell of a time keeping his 6'2 frame on the wall; he could actually reach the throw from the start but doesn't have enough strength to hold onto it and move... he'll get it eventually.
One thing we all noticed during that session was the lips on the holds, where the nice round shape is cut off on every hold there's a lip that catches your fingers from time to time. From an aesthetic point of view it makes the holds look nicer than just a sloper with the tops flattened, but from a climbing point of view it's not really needed. People with smaller hands are probably going to feel this more than your monkey clawed brethren, it's not sharp, it is round but it's one of those little things that could have been better. I spoke to Dave over at Element the day after the session and mentioned that the shapes climb well, but the lip gets in the way. The holds would be pretty good without the lip, he agrees and might shape some more shapes without the lip to compliment these.
The second route as you can see what a little more technical, Eve set something that was pretty hard and stretchy, note the use of a head jam for her to get across the route! Again the holds performed well, the edges are just enough for you to hang on without worrying about being spat off once you get the sequence in your head.
SUGGESTED USES
Texture is nice and even, nothing super abrasive on the fingers but enough that you can stick the move and not worry about your hands slipping off and you taking a fall. It is a fine texture that sucks up chalk, but the shapes are easy to clean as they're nice and simple; you should be able to run laps on these holds depending upon the route without your skin taking a beating.
WHAT THEY'RE
Urethane! It's a pretty strong mix from what our torque wrench tells us, there were some bubbles on the backs of the holds but nothing major to worry about
The holds
NOODLES SAYS
These shapes remind me of the Imperfect Cobbles from Entrepris
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If you took the ImpCobs, and then flattened the tops and made them smooth, this is pretty much what you'd get, the texture on these is nicer on the paws but the shapes are similar (not in every facet) It's the first thought I had when I opened the box, and it's one the is still lingering today; I can also tell you (if I were so inclined) to tell you which holds I'd prefer to have on my wall, but I won't that's for you the reader to judge for yourself!! And by that I'm not saying that these holds were copied (because they weren't) I'm just saying that if you needed some shapes that are similar for a route but you needed some slope then these are what you'd probably look at!
For a young upstart of a company Element have done a pretty bang on job with their shapes and mix; they've been supplying holds to their local gyms for a while and therefore have been getting some feedback and have refined their shapes from that feedback, something some company's do but not enough in a lot of cases; some holds shouldn't be on the market; or need a complete redesign.
Would I suggest you buy these holds? Do you need some slopers? There's your answer; have a look and see what you think. For me I'd like to see less Mick Jagger on the holds (read: less lip) or if the lip stays for it to be smoothed out, the edges aren't sharp sharp but a nice radii on the shapes would make them just that little bit nicer to hold onto. This set could be extended even more with the angles on a single shape being from 5 to 45 degrees of slope and then you'd have a ball, I can see setters liking these holds as there is only one area that is going to be grabbed and then matching can be either super simple of a finger creeper! Element offers a 30% discount on their entire line for gyms and setters :)
CHRIS
I was surprised at how well I could hold onto the Orbits. After Seb set his route I looked at the first hold, realized how small it was, saw the second hold, realized how low it was set and started to have my doubts. In the end it was easier than anticipated and it all came down to the footwork. The holds are specific and setters will find that they can force moves without much worry about climbers cheating their way around the hold and in a nutshell I would say that they may not be the biggest, or flashiest holds on the wall but the texture is skin friendly and they are big for crimps so you won't be stressing your tendons out.
Climbing is always fun! Well, to some. Being some, I can say that the Orbits from Element are fun to climb on! However, I can't say there was enough to them to make them memorable. They're round yeah, and they came in this ordinary shade of green... Dull. Once it's covered in chalk, its pretty gray and unexciting. They have a texture which is fairly soft and sticks nicely. It feels like it looks cause it looks like it feels! They are, I guess, serving their purpose since they almost totally lack in flexibility. The advantage is that it allows a setter to impose pretty easily what the move is going to be. Although when you can't set you can confuse yourself; they just didn't see the headlock :). So I say Orbits work but they won't send you flying.
- Texture is nice on the skin
- No tendon threatening shapes, the lip can get in the way, but otherwise nice and friendly on the fingers
- None of the holds are wall hoggers if you're limited on space
- Element don't charge for custom colors
- We don't like the lips on the shapes, they could cause some finger pain
- Color is so-so, great if you love earth tones! But a little washed out for us. This is the standard "Element Green", they do have much brighter colors
- We'd like to see the set be more varied, either incut or a mixture of slopers. The range felt a little thrown together. The shapes all stand alone by themselves but adding more of the same would really make this a good set for a home wall
- Considering the size of these holds the price could be a little steep, good discounts for gyms and setters (30%)
$79.95 gets you 5 small/medium holds and one large hold